{"id":1137,"date":"2012-07-23T21:20:48","date_gmt":"2012-07-24T02:20:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/?p=1137"},"modified":"2012-07-23T22:02:02","modified_gmt":"2012-07-24T03:02:02","slug":"rim-and-value-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/?p=1137","title":{"rendered":"RIM and Value, Again"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I keep coming back to look at poor unloved RIM, and I keep not buying it.<\/p>\n<p>At one point I was openly wondering if it was a good buy, trading a hair above book value and some ridiculously low P\/E. I even thought it was good enough for the misfit bloggers stock picking competition (good enough for fake money &#8212; now there&#8217;s a recommendation!). Then it fell lower than that even, and I still didn&#8217;t buy. It wasn&#8217;t due to any squeamishness about falling knives, but rather because the business outlook kept deteriorating just as fast if not faster than the share price. Not even a year ago I had figured that even if the BlackBerry brand was losing out to Apple and Android, it wouldn&#8217;t happen overnight, and there&#8217;d still be a year or two of positive earnings. Yet now they&#8217;re already reporting a loss.<\/p>\n<p>A few months ago, I reasoned that they&#8217;d be worth the cash on the balance sheet plus some generous value for their trove of patents. After all, they had paid some billions of dollars for just a subset of the patents in the Nortel bankruptcy. Except, that line of reasoning kind of fell apart as I examined it: they were the <em>highest <\/em>bidder in the auction, so the patents would by definition be worth somewhat less than what they paid. Plus, those patents are a few years older and closer to expiry now. RIM&#8217;s own core patents might be valuable (they still do have some strengths)&#8230; but Apple and Google&#8217;s device manufacturers have had no problem moving product without access to those patents. How much could they really be worth?<\/p>\n<p>So now I&#8217;m lowering my sights once again and demanding a larger margin-of-safety before buying. If the negative sentiment continues and the stock price continues to suffer then there may well come a time where I&#8217;m willing to buy. But now I think that point will be when the stock is trading at a discount to their cash: where I get the patents for free, the business for free, and a cushion to insulate against a few years of losses eating into that cash hoard. From a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation, I probably won&#8217;t be putting in any bids until I see it under $4.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I keep coming back to look at poor unloved RIM, and I keep not buying it. At one point I was openly wondering if it was a good buy, trading a hair above book value and some ridiculously low P\/E. I even thought it was good enough for the misfit bloggers stock picking competition (good [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[16],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1137"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1137"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1137\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1137"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1137"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1137"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}