{"id":532,"date":"2008-09-05T14:48:16","date_gmt":"2008-09-05T18:48:16","guid":{"rendered":"\/blog\/?p=532"},"modified":"2014-10-22T06:58:12","modified_gmt":"2014-10-22T11:58:12","slug":"wedding-rant-gift-registries","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.holypotato.net\/?p=532","title":{"rendered":"Wedding Rant: Gift Registries"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Weddings are such a royal pain in the ass with so many finicky little details to work out, strange traditions to uphold, planning that takes years of (and off) your life, and everything, everything has to be coordinated. So you would think that at the very least, you get to register for an assload of gifts you might want, and that, if nothing else was, would be easy.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, not quite so much.<\/p>\n<p>The concept of a gift registry is actually pretty good. Traditionally, kids marry when they&#8217;re young and stupid and still living at home. Their moving out day is just about the same time as their wedding day, so part of the tradition became to get presents for the new couple to help them get their household started. The whole community coming together to help these young people get their lives started off right. As the ages progressed and everything became more commercialized, it became a real hassle to get this going: people might end up with 4 fondue sets (or on PEI, a hundred embroidered pillowcases) and a complete mismash of other stuff. A registry allows a couple to get a complete set of things, without duplication. In exchange for taking on the administrative burden of running a registry, the store the couple registers at gets a near monopoly on thousands of dollars of gift purchases, as well as some continued word of mouth (oh yes, we registered at Store X). In theory, it&#8217;s a great system with win-win benefits.<\/p>\n<p>I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve been quite disappointed with the gift registries offered by major retailers lately. First off, you\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re pretty much limited to one or two stores (trying to hand out 3+ gift registries to relatives just doesn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t work), and while the department stores can be relatively all-encompassing, they don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t quite have everything. Plus, we\u00e2\u20ac\u2122ve had some trouble with HBC from the gift buyer\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s point of view recently. HBC should be just about the perfect place to register at: a huge nationwide chain of stores that carries nearly everything from fine china to linens and even vacation packages. But they wouldn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t mark an item as sold if we were to buy it somewhere else, even though they were out of stock, which is just poor sportsmanship &#8212; it&#8217;s one thing to be handed a de facto monopoly by the bride and groom, but quite another to try to enforce that by not updating the list with purchases from other stores &#8212; even other stores owned by the same company! There were serious communication problems across their different store personas: Home Outfitters wasn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t sharing list information with The Bay, etc. Plus they were pretty keen on just having the item shipped to the bride\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s house, without giving us a chance to wrap it or anything. It was their excuse for not letting us strike an item that we bought somewhere else: &#8220;Well, you can just order it directly from the registry and we&#8217;ll ship it to them in 6-8 weeks.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So we wanted to open it up and make it easier for people to buy anywhere, and also to buy equivalent options, to give them that sort of option where it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s not really important to get something exact. To that end, I found an open source PHP script that does the job very decently: we create our wishlist (including comments and links out to potential retailers) and let the guests mark things off that they have already bought or want to reserve to buy. Unfortunately, being hosted on our wedding website and not anywhere in store, it failed the &#8220;aunt test&#8221; &#8212; it wasn&#8217;t quite immediately intuitive enough for one of our aunts to just fire up the web browser and click something off. So, having become disenchanted with HBC, we went to Cayne&#8217;s. <\/p>\n<p>Cayne&#8217;s offers kitchen and housewares, though not a whole lot else. However, they have very good customer service and return policies, as well as some of the best (non-sale) prices around, which is good because we don&#8217;t want our guests overspending on us. We went in and set up a registry by writing down the UPC codes for anything we wanted. Then we found out that the registry is on <em>paper<\/em>. That&#8217;s so 20th-century. Guests can, in theory, call in at any time to check what&#8217;s on the registry and even order over the phone, but as a practical matter we had to wonder if a sales associate would actually read out a list of 30-some items over the phone, especially if they were getting hammered with in-person customers on a saturday. Also, in the rare case where two guests show up to shop on the same day, a duplication would be possible since the registry (on paper, remember) wouldn&#8217;t be updated until the end of the day. Plus, there&#8217;s only the one Cayne&#8217;s location. True, it&#8217;s in Thornhill, highly accessible to 75+% of our invitees, but nowhere near the presence of HBC. All the factors came together and Wayfare decided that the Cayne&#8217;s registry would have to go. I wasn&#8217;t quite as pessimistic: after all, the only major problem with it was that the gift list wasn&#8217;t accessible online, and we had our own database for anyone who did want to check things online. The stodgy aunts could go in person to Caynes, and everyone else could use our PHP gift registry to buy gifts from any category in any store.<\/p>\n<p><!-- I don't know why I bother, I'm a matrimonial accessory. You fuckers will probably have alcohol and meat, too. --><\/p>\n<p>So of course, next thing I knew, we had an appointment at the Bay downtown to set up our registry. It was impressive, with several sales staff\/consultants who <em>just <\/em>deal with registries. We got a scanning tool to run amok in the store scanning to our heart&#8217;s content. That store is this huge retail mecca, with something like 8 large floors of goods. We went from china to luggage to kitchen stuff to bath towels, with several more floors for seasonal stuff and clothes. Unfortunately, the Bay and Home Outfitters\/Zellers still aren&#8217;t on speaking terms as far as registries are concerned. And oddly enough, it was a really tiring, disappointing shopping spree. First off in luggage, the piece Wayfare really wanted was being discontinued, and we can&#8217;t register for discontinued items. Over in the kitchen area, it was a big mess organizationally speaking. They had it organized for the most part by brand, rather than type of kitchen goodness, which made finding and moreover <em>comparing <\/em>quite a chore. Plus, we had already gone through the kitchen stuff once at Cayne&#8217;s and so had a pretty good idea of what we wanted&#8230; and the Bay just didn&#8217;t have it. They had hardly any pots that were sold as <em>pots<\/em>. Instead, almost all of their pots were solely offered as parts of giant sets. For glasses, they had the brand and style we wanted, but only the very largest size. They were these huge misproportioned goblets that we felt like we needed two hands to hold. They had the kitchen scale and food processor we were looking for&#8230; but both were about $60 at Cayne&#8217;s vs. $100 at HBC. Yes, they do quite often have sales to bring that price down, but it made us feel bad for putting those on the registry. Since there are usually multiple rounds of gift-giving leading up to a wedding (the shower, the engagement party, the tea party, the lingerie party, the stag and doe, the beach blast, the kegger, the rehearsal, and the wedding itself), I suggested we keep a number of items on the registry at Cayne&#8217;s for the shower, just for those people who absolutely can&#8217;t be talked into giving cash (and unfortunately Wayfare is herself one of those people) and then the registry at the Bay for the wedding itself. She wasn&#8217;t fond of that idea, because, well&#8230; I think by that point she had just gotten accustomed to not being fond of my ideas (and I think in her secret heart, she&#8217;s hoping that she&#8217;ll have a bigger shower than the 15-some items left on the Cayne&#8217;s registry would provide for).<\/p>\n<p>Overall, we found the gift registry process to be pretty draining. That is of course because we live in modern times, and we&#8217;re not just leaving our parents to set up our own household. I&#8217;ve been off on my own for almost 6 years now, and Wayfare for even longer. We <em>already have<\/em> everything we need. A lot of our stuff we got new after we moved out, and even a lot of the stuff we left with second-hand (our microwave and toaster oven, for example) we&#8217;ve used up and have since replaced with new stuff. Heck, just from birthdays and potatomasses we&#8217;ve burned through almost all our gift ideas &#8212; we&#8217;ve even got a vacuum sealer, a bread maker, and the Griddler, which has been used twice in 6 months. There are precious few kitchen gadgets left that we don&#8217;t have &#8212; and that&#8217;s only because we probably wouldn&#8217;t use what&#8217;s left. I mean Wayfare hasn&#8217;t even taken the slow cooker she got for Potatomas out of the box yet. We have a coffeemaker we haven&#8217;t used once. We <em>forgot we had it<\/em> when we were in the store and wondering if we should register for one (neither of us drinks coffee, but one day we might have a guest who <em>might<\/em> &#8212; even after remembering our unused 2-cup maker, Wayfare was wondering if we should register for a larger one because our <em>hypothetical <\/em>guests might not want to wait for the coffee to burble out a single large mug at a time). Our kitchen (and by extension, house as a whole) is <em>complete<\/em>, perhaps even moreso than our &lt;sappy&gt; love for each other &lt;\/sappy&gt;.<\/p>\n<p><em>And a quick interjection &#8212; Toronto friends, we miss you. Please come stay with us. We truly mean it when we say we&#8217;d love for you to come down and stay with us. We have too much guest stuff (guest towels, guest sheets, guest coffee maker, guest room) to have our guests be so very hypothetical.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This seems to be a generational trend: gift registries are fast losing their relevance as people already have their households established before they get married, often with two sets of stuff. People are marrying later in life &#8212; I&#8217;m not married yet, and I&#8217;m <em>old<\/em>, grey hair and everything. <!-- So let me be the one to say it: the thing a couple needs most is cash. Weddings are not cheap. We knew that going in, and set a budget. Wayfare's mom said that she was \"her only daughter, so of course I'm going to pay for the whole wedding, sweetheart.\" Now that the true cost for all this pageantry is being revealed (and the \"wealth effect\" of the stock market crash and the simultaneous cost of the Wayfare family kitchen remodelling hits home) the tune is more of a \"so, how would you guys like to pay for some of this stuff?\" --><\/p>\n<p>A kitchen full of new stuff is nice, even if your stuff is only 6 years old as it is. And there is the romantic sentimentalism of being able to say that that toaster was given to us by uncle Bob, or the set of linens from the next-door neighbours. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s really hard to find that many things to register for in the first place, but because uncle Bob doesn&#8217;t want to be stuck as the schmo buying us whatever it is he thinks is uncool and left at the end of the registry (face cloths, meat thermometer, whatever), we have to register for more presents than we think people will ever buy us, just so they have choice. Personally, I find this a very difficult thing to do. <!-- And of course, the thing we really need most is money, largely to pay off the wedding\/honeymoon in the first place. A kitchen full of new stuff is nice, but it doesn't pay the tux rental or the photographer. Although... I wonder if our photographer wants to come register for a few things... ;) --><\/p>\n<p><!-- As discussed on a number of other personal finance blogs recently, the stigma that surrounds cash gifts really has to stop. The prevalence of gift cards shows that we're not creative or needy enough to make gift-giving easy, but gift cards are less useful than real cash, which I call \"the universal gift card\". Of course, for a wedding there's that question of how much do you give? The rule of thumb used to be that you would aim to give enough to cover the cost of your meal, but I think that the runaway costs of weddings have rendered that somewhat moot. Sure, $50, even $100 is fairly appropriate, but you shouldn't feel obligated to give twice as much just because the wedding is pushing $200 a head because we had to have the trained white doves fly behind the bride to carry her train just like in the Disney princess movies, or because the reception hall is inflating their prices by turning a formal 3-course meal into a ridiculous 8-course marathon eating contest. --><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Weddings are such a royal pain in the ass with so many finicky little details to work out, strange traditions to uphold, planning that takes years of (and off) your life, and everything, everything has to be coordinated. 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